HomeMy WebLinkAbout111990 PC MinutesMINUTES OF ~ REGUL~,R MEETING
OF THE PLANNING COI~ISSION
OF THE CITY OF TEHECUL~
HELD NOVF~IBER 19~ 1990
A regular meeting of the Temecula Planning Commission was called to
order at Vail Elementary School, 29915 Mira Loma Drive, Temecula,
at 6:05 P.M. The meeting was called to order by Chairperson Dennis
Chiniaeff.
PRESENT: 5
COMMISSIONERS:
Blair, Fahey, Ford, Hoagland,
Chiniaeff
ABSENT:
0 COMMISSIONERS: None
Also present were Assistant City Attorney John Cavanaugh, Gary
Thornhill, Acting Planning Director, John Middleton, Senior Project
Manager, Doug Stewart, Deputy City Engineer and Gail Zigler, Minute
Clerk.
PUBLIC COMMENT
CHAIRMAN CHINIAEFF opened the meeting for public comment at 6:10
P.M.
SAL MUNOZ, P.O. Box 3000, Temecula, commended the Commissioners on
their performance as the Planning Commission for the City of
Temecula. He suggested that the Commission might like to make a
brief summary of their position on an item before taking the vote
so that the city Council has a clear idea why an item was approved
or denied.
1. MINUTES
1.1 MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 5, 1990.
The Commissioners did not receive a copy of the November
5, 1990 minutes in their agenda packages. No action was
taken.
CHAIRMAN CHINIAEFF advised that Item No. 7 would be continued to
the meeting of December 3, 1990.
NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS
2. FIRST EXTENSION OF TIME VESTING TENTATIVE TRACT MAP 23299
2.1
Proposal for first extension of time Tract 23299, 232 Unit
Condominium project located south of Highway 79,
approximately one-quarter mile west of Margarita Road.
GARY THORNHILL advised the Commission that there were some
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discussions with the the applicant relating to this item
and item No. 3 which needed to be addressed by the
Assistant City Attorney John Cavanaugh.
JOHN CAVANAUGH stated that the City Attorney's office had
discussions with the applicant regarding the extension of
time vesting for tentative tract map 23299 and the
applicant provided documents to the City Attorney's office
along with documents from the Riverside County Flood
Control District. Based on these documents, the applicant
has requested that this project be processed through as a
moratorium under the Sub-Division Map Act 66452.6 B & F.
John Cavanaugh stated that the City Attorney's office
was in agreement with the applicant that a moratorium
does exist due to the fact that the Flood Control District
had issued a letter stating that because the project is
along the flood plain and channel improvements are
required to be proposed under the Assessment District 159
404 permits are to be issued by the Army Corp of
Engineers and California Fish and Game. He stated that
applications have been submitted; however, they have not
been processed by these agencies. Until the permits can
be issued, the Time Extension has been placed on hold.
CHAIRMAN CHINIAEFF asked if the time period for the
approval of the Tentative Map was put on hold and
therefore has not expired until the moritorium has ended.
John Cavanaugh stated that the City Attorney's office
has been told that these permits are close to being
issued. John Cavanaugh advised the Commission that they
would be taking no action on this item at this time.
PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS
CHANGE OF ZONE NO.
3.1
Proposal to change the zoning of 221.2 acres of land from
R-R to R-3, R-4, and R-5, located on the south side of
State Highway No. 79 between Margarita Road and Pala Road.
Steve Jiannino provided the staff report on this item.
CHAIRNANCHINIAEFFquestioned the Deputy City Attorney on
the Commission's ability to approve a zone change without
an underlying plan.
JOHN CAVANAUGH stated that the issue before the Commission
was a request for zone change and it is the position of
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the Commission to make a recommendation to the City
Council based on the information that has been provided to
them in the staff report. He added that the Commission
could request that staff bring back this item with more
information necessary for the Commission's approval of
this item.
COMMISSIONER FORD questioned the Commission's ability to
approve the zone change of R-3 and R-4 with the R-5 area
being held up by the moritorium.
HARY THORNHILL agreed that the Commission and staff had a
difficult decision. He added that the project has already
begun grading based on prior approvals and, if the
Commission were to deny the zone change, the applicant
could not record the Tentative Map.
CHAIRMAN CHINI&EFF questioned if the City was responsible
for inspecting the grading on the project.
Deputy City Engineer DOUH STEWART stated that the County
was inspecting the grading on this project.
CHAIRM~N CHINIAEFF stated that he felt that staff should
provide the Commission with a copy of the approved
tentative maps for this project in order for them to make
a logical decision and to know that the proposals are
consistent with the existing maps which were approved and
are currently in effect. He suggested that the item be
continued to allow staff to provide the maps on the
project.
HARY THORNHILL stated that the applicant proceeded with
the project based on the permits that had been issued.
He added that if the Commission made a recommendation to
approve the re-zoning, they were essentially approving the
project; however, if they made the recommendation to not
approve the re-zone, then the project would be denied.
CHAIRMAN CHINIAEFF opened the public hearing at 6:40 P.M.
~EX~!~DER URQUHART, 5950 E1 Camino Real, Ste. 2000,
Carlsbad, representitive of Crosby Mead and Benton,
representing the applicant Presley of San Diego. Mr.
Urquhart stated that when Presley purchased the site
they were very surprised to find that the zoning had
not been finaled; however, they feel that the zoning
they have proposed is within the SWAP designation and
is less dense than the surrounding properties.
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RAY CASEY, 15010 Avenue of Science, San Diego,
representative of Presley of San Diego, provided the
Commission with a overall site map of the original
Tentative Map and reflecting landscape areas.
CHAIRMAN CHINIAEFF asked if the landscaping shown
was a condition of the approved Tentative Map.
RAY CASEY stated that they have approved landscape
plans for the entire project from the County of
Riverside, which are conditions of the Tentative Map.
CHAIRMAN CHINIAEFF asked if the flood control channel
issues were not resolved and the multiple family area
of the project is put on moritorium, will you receive
approval letters from the Army Corp of Engineers and
California Fish and Wildlife for any of the other
areas facing the channel.
RAY CASEY stated that he understood the same issues
pertained to the other areas as well. He stated that
he had letters from the Army Corp of Engineers and the
Assessment District saying that they were very close to
issuing their approvals.
LETTIE BOG~S, 31350 Rancho Vista Road, Temecula,
representative of the Temecula Valley School District,
addressed the Commission with the concern that there
has been no school site designated within this
development even though there had been a ten acre
site set aside in the Environmental Impact Study.
There is only one other school site that might
possibly house the students generated from this
development; however, that is not an geologically
approved site. She stated that the mitigation fees
generated from this project would build approximately
one-eighth of a school needed to house students from
this project. Those students would fill one-half of
a school. The school district is experiencing problems
with the increasing densities within the City and
providing facilities to house students generated by
the higher density developments.
CHAIRI~,N CHINIAEFF advised Ms. Boggs that the Commission
could not condition a zone change for a designated school
site.
LETTIE BOGGS stated that it was the School Districts
understanding of the Environmental Impact Study that a
school site had been set aside.
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RAY CASEY stated that they had preliminary discussions
with the school district and had discussed the possibility
of providing excess school mitigation fees through the
Mello-Roos.
COMMISSIONER HOAGLAND expressed concern that the project
was this far along and still had many unresolved issues
such as the school site allocation and the flood control
channel being included in the gross acreage of the project
which is unusable land.
COMMISSIONER FAHEY questioned if there was any way that
the Commission could address the school site through the
conditions.
GARY THORNHILL stated that they could not condition the
project for an allocated school site. He stated that the
county had already approved the project.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR asked the applicant what they were
proposing to do to mitigate the school issue.
RAY CASEY stated that they would be willing to pay
additional fees and paying their school mitigation fees up
front which could possibly help complete schools in the
surrounding projects sooner.
CHAIRNAN CHINIAEFF asked the Assistant City Attorney if
the applicant had started their grading based on the
approvals they had received from the County and the City
chooses to lower the density, would the City be placed
in any jeopardy.
JOHN CAVANAUGH advised the Commission that they should be
looking at the re-zone notwithstanding the progress that
has been made, and determine if this zone change request
is feasible.
CHAIRNAN CHINI&EFF expressed concern for the City's
liability if the developer was not able to build their
project.
JOHN CAVANAUGH advised the Commission that the
determination the Commission is making would be based
on solid legal grounds and that the City was placed
in this position after the fact.
COMMISSIONER HOAGLAND stated that the staff report
report reflected that the Tentative Map called for the
improvement of the bridge at Pala Road which was to be
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completed by Assessment District 159; however, he
understood that Assessment District 159 would no longer be
constructing those improvements. He also questioned the
proposed traffic mitigation which included signalization
of an intersection. He asked staff which intersection
that referred to.
DOUG STEWART stated that Assessment District 159 was no
longer completing the improvements to the bridge at Pala
Road. He asked Kirk Williams to address the issue of the
traffic signals before explaining what was being proposed
for the bridge construction. KIRK WILLIAMS stated that
Tentative Map 23267 would be required to put in the
signal at the new alignment of Pala Road and Highway 79
after the bridge is built. He added that for Tentative
Map 23267, they working with the applicant's traffic
engineer for signalization of the on and off ramps at
Highway 79 and Pala Road, Highway 79 and Pala Road and
Highway 79 and Loma Linda. For Tentative Map 23299,
the applicant would be required to put in signals at
Highway 79 and Lime Street and Highway 79 and
Margarita Road.
DOUG STEWART stated that there were many discussions at
this time between the staff, County, and the applicants of
Murdy Ranch. He stated that there are two possibilities:
one being that the bridge may be included in a
supplemental assessment district for the Murdy Ranch
project; the other being that when Murdy Ranch comes
before the Council, it will be conditioned to enter into
a Reimbursement Agreement with the City and the Murdy
Ranch Specific Plan would be required to build the bridge
and they would be reimbursed from adjacent developments
for contribution for the need of the bridge.
COMMISSIONER HOA~LAND stated the staff report reflected
that the bridge would be constructed before any occupancy
of these projects.
DOU~ STEWART stated that he does not believe the projects
are conditioned for completion of the bridge prior to
occupancy; however, the Engineering Department intended
for this to be a condition when the extension of time
came before the Commission. He added that the traffic
study and the environmental impact study required the
bridge be in place.
COMMISSIONER FAHEY moved to close the public hearing at
7:05 P.M. and continue Change of Zone No. 5 to address
the issue of adequate school mitigation and the report
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from the Army Corp of Engineer as well as California
Fish and Game and the issue of the completion of the
bridge at Pala Road, seconded by COMMISSIONER FORD.
COMMISSIONER HOAGLAND expressed a desire to see how
the zoning fits with the Tentative Maps to form a
unified project.
COMMISSIONER FORD added that he felt the southern portion
of the project could move ahead once the flood control
issue was approved.
The motion carried unanimously.
AYES: 5
COMMISSIONERS:
Blair, Fahey, Ford,
Hoagland, Chiniaeff
NOES: 0 COMMISSIONERS: None
4. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NO. 7
4.1
Proposal for motorcycle sales in an existing commercial
building located at the northeast corner of Ynez Road
and Solana Way.
Steve Jiannino provided the staff report on this item.
He advised the Commission that staff had added a
condition that there be no outdoor sales or storage
or motorcyles, etc., at this facility.
CHAIRMAN CHINIAEFF opened the public hearing at 7:15 P.M.
HOWARD LEVY, 853 S. Spaulding Drive, Los Angeles,
applicant, expressed his concurrence to the
conditions of approval and added that the facility
would include the repair of boats and outboard engines.
COMMISSIONER CHINIAEPF clarified with the applicant
that there would be no outdoor sales or storage at this
facility.
COMMISSIONER FAHEY moved to close the public hearing at
7:20 P.M. and adopt Resolution No. 90-(next) approving
Conditional Use Permit No. 7, seconded by COMMISSIONER
HOAGLAND and carried as follows:
AYES: 5
COMMISSIONERS:
Blair, Fahey, Ford,
Hoagland, Chiniaeff
NOES: 0 COMMISSIONERS: None
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PLOT PLAN 18 AND LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT NO. 9
5.1 Proposal to construct a 46,613 square foot shopping center
on a 5.1 acre site located at the northwest corner of
Rancho California Road and Lyndie Lane.
OLIVER MUJICA provided the staff report on this item.
He indicated that the proposal is for the construction
of the retail site (Building C) and the building pads for
the bank (Building B) and the restaurant (Building A).
The recommendation would be for the approval of the site
design layout and the construction of Building C. Staff
also recommends when the development for Building A and
B is submitted, the applicant file a Plot Plan application
so that they can be reviewed. He stated that although
the Traffic Engineering Department has indicated they have
no problems with the drive-thru facility at the proposed
bank, staff sees some potential problems and would like to
review the detailed plans of the building along with a
traffic study. He added that the code requires four
loading spaces for the overall development and the
applicant is proposing one loading space. After
discussion with the applicant about the type of deliveries
they will be receiving, staff has determined that the
four loading spaces should be provided, possibly using
some of the other parking spaces.
KIRK WILLIAMS stated that Transportation Engineering has
reviewed the site and determined that there is no major
reason for concern with the access/egress of the proposed
drive-thru location. They do concur that when the plot
plan is submitted, they would like to look at it to ensure
there is no problem. He added that the location of the
loading docks does not appear to propose any problems.
COMMISSIONER HOAGLAND questioned the requirements of
Condition No. 29.
JOHN MIDDLETON stated that this was a standard condition.
off-site requirements. GARY THORNHILL indicated that
he didn't believe there were any off-site improvements
required and this condition could be deleted. KIRK
NILLI/%MS stated that there would be some additional
off-site work required on Rancho California Road, as
a result of the Lyndie Lane and Rancho California Road
intersection, engineering is requiring a operational
signal resulting in off-site improvements on the south
side of Rancho California Road.
DOUG STEWART added that this site was in the benefit
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reimbursement district for Margarita Village Development
Company would be doing the street improvements and the
applicant would be constructing the signals.
CHAIRMAN CHINIAEFF questioned if the project was
conditioned to construct a landscape median.
KIRK WILLIAMS stated that there was a Engineering
Department condition that a median be constructed.
CHAIRMAN CHINIAEFF questioned if the applicant was paying
any mitigation fees for the ramp signals at Highway 15
and Rancho California Road.
KIRK WILLIAMS stated that they would be paying signal
mitigation fees. DOUG STEWART stated that the Margarita
Village Development Company was already conditioned to
complete those improvements; however, they were
conditioned to pay signal mitigation fees and capital
improvement fees.
CHAIRMAN CHINIAEFF opened the public hearing at 7:30 P.M.
MARK ASPENSON, Winchester Development, 41530 Enterprise
Circle South, Suite 206, Temecula, developer of the
project. He stated that they were building the median
on Rancho California Road and they were designing and
improving the signal at Lyndie Lane and Rancho California
Road. He addressed some concerns about the height of the
wall behind the project and indicated that they had
planned extensive landscaping for this area. He stated
that they are willing to work with staff to address any
concerns they have.
COMMISSIONER HOA~LANDasked if the area behind the retail
building was a walk way.
MARK ASPENSON stated that this was a loading area.
COMMISSIONER FORD questioned the lighting and landscaping
proposed for the back side of the walls and the
irrigation. He expressed a concern for run-off and
suggested a drip system.
MARK ASPENSON stated that they had submitted a conceptual
landscape plan and would be willing to work with staff.
~RY THORNHILL added that the applicant will be required
to submit a final landscape plan.
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COMMISSIONER FORD also questioned a lighting plan for the
back side of the building so as not to interfere with the
nearby residential area.
MARK ASPENSON stated that they would be required to use
low pressure lights due to the Palomar Observatory
Ordinance.
GARY THORNHILL suggested enhancing Condition No. 7
indicating all lighting will be hooded or directed away
from neighboring residents.
CHAIRMAN CHINIAEFF stated that he would like the applicant
to utilize some taller specimen trees along the back side
of the building to softer the height of the building. He
also questioned their sign proposal.
MARK ASPENSON again stated that they were willing to work
with staff to address all of the Commission's concerns and
that a sign program would be coming under a separate
proposal.
COMMISSIONER FORD expressed a desire to see the wording on
Condition No. 1 to read "for a proposed 6,500 square foot
restaurant and a proposed 4,831 square foot bank".
GARY THORNHILL advised the Commission that there are no
approvals for the proposed buildings A and B and the
applicant will have to come back to the Commission with
the Plot Plans.
MARK ASPENSON indicated that they had not received a copy
of the Conditions of Approval.
GARY THORNHILL asked if the agent or the applicant had
received a copy of the Conditions. MR. ASPENSON stated
that they had not received them.
The Commission agreed to take a ten minute recess to allow
the applicant to review the Conditions of Approval.
CHAIRMAN CHINIAEFF declared a ten minute recess at 7:50
P.M. The meeting reconvened at 8:00 P.M.
MARK&SPENSON expressed concurrence with the Conditions of
Approval as presented.
GARY THORNHILL stated that while the applicant is
providing 286 parking spaces on the site plan there is a
condition to provide four loading spaces, which allows
them flexibility to convert six of those spaces into
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three loading spaces; also, he recommended amending
Condition No. 18 to not allow outdoor storage as follows:
Add a sentence stating no outdoor storage or trash except
in the designated containers provided on the site plan.
COMMISSIONER FORD moved to close the public hearing at
8:10 P.M. and adopt Negative Declaration for Plot Plan
No. 18 and adopt Resolution No. 90-(next) approving
Plot Plan No. 18 and Lot Line Adjustment No. 9 including
modifications of Condition No. 1 to read "proposed 6,500
square foot restaurant and proposed 4,831 square foot
bank" and Condition No. 18 to include a statement
indicating no outdoor storage or trash except the
designated trash containers, seconded by COMMISSIONER
FAHEY and carried unanimously.
AYES: 5
COMMISSIONERS:
Blair, Fahey, Ford,
Hoagland, Chiniaeff
NOES: 0 COMMISSIONERS: None
CONDITION~., USE PEI~IT NO. S/PLOT PLaN 6353 REVISED PEI~IT
Proposal to convert an existing theater into a tire sales
and auto repair use located at 27415 Jefferson Avenue in
the Winchester Square shopping center.
STEVE JIANNINO provided the staff report on this item.
He stated that staff's recommendation is for overhead
doors limited to the rear of the building. He stated
that with re-design the applicant could utilize stacking.
CHAIRMAN CHINIAEFF opened the public hearing at 8:15 P.M.
JACK HUNTER, 900 W. Alameda Avenue, Burbank, representing
Winston Tire Company, requested the Commission approval
of the project as proposed which includes two overhead
doors at the front of the building. He stated that they
were in opposition to Condition No. 10 which restricted
the overhead doors to the back of the building. He said
that limiting the access to the rear of the building would
decrease their efficiency by 30%.
CHAIRMAN CHINIAEFF questioned storage of down vehicles and
used tires.
MR. HUNTER stated that these are stored inside the
building.
JIM BORDEN, 422 Calle Vista Torito, San Clemente,
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representing Safelite Glass Company, who is proposing to
lease a portion of this building, spoke in opposition of
limited rear entrance doors only. He stated that it was
corporate policy to lease space that gave them front
and rear access and they are looking at this condition
in considering this lease property.
DAN PERLMUTTER, 610 Newport Center Drive, Suite 1490,
Newport Beach, property manager for the center. He
stated that they have had a difficult time finding a
suitable tenant and were looking at a restaurant and
a recreation center at one time. He stated that he
felt that the Winston Tire store would be a good
tenant for the building and feels that the front bays
would have no adverse effects on the center. He
added that this particular portion of the center is
essentially dead and other tenants of the center have
encouraged the conversion of the theater into the auto
tire and glass shops.
COI, DflSSIONER CHINIAEFF asked Mr. Perimutter if they
would consider lowering the sign on the building to
below the eve line.
MR. PERLMUTTER indicated that they would be willing to
consider that.
DAVID LOWRY, 27349 Jefferson Avenue, Suite 206, Temecula,
owner of the shopping center adjacent to Winchester Plaza
spoke in support of the proposed conversion of the theater
and suggested that the Commission look at improving the
landscape islands to shield the overhead doors at the
front of the building.
BOB THOMPSON, 27443 Jefferson Avenue, Temecula,
veterinary tenant at the center located about four doors
down from the vacant theater spoke in favor of the
proposed use of the building.
JIM FR2~, 27495 Jefferson Avenue, Temecula, tenant of
the center Sun City Optical, spoke in favor of the
proposed conversion of the theater into the auto tire and
glass shop and stated that had no problem with overhead
doors at the front of the building.
MIKE GRAY, Riverside County Fire Department, advised the
Commission that the rear alley was an emergency fire road
and there could be no cars parked which would restrict
their access. He indicated that he could foresee problems
if the access to the building is limited to the rear
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doors and that he would like to see a condition
restricting rear parking.
COMMISSIONER HOAGLAND recommended closing the access to
through traffic at the front of the building and utilize
3 or 4 spaces on the south side of the first island to
enlarge that island.
DAN PERLMUTTER expressed a desire not to eliminate any
parking spaces and suggested one-way traffic in front of
the tire store.
MIKE GRAY stated that they could not make a one-way lane
unless there was a way to re-route the traffic.
GARY THORNHILL stated that staff's main concern would be
with the view and they could enhance the landscape
planters without closing any traffic lanes.
CHAIRMAN CHINIHEFF asked if the fire department would
accept closing off the front of the building to through
traffic.
MIKE GRAY stated that they would have no problems with
that.
GARY THORNHILL expressed concern for closing off this
area and suggested enhancing the landscaping in front of
the building as well as the landscape planters.
COMMISSIONER HOAGLAND moved close the public hearing at
9:00 P.M. and adopt Resolution No. 90-(next) approving
Revised Permit Plot Plan No. 6353, Winchester Square,
deleting Condition No. 10 as submitted by staff and adding
a new Condition No. 10 requiring the applicant to submit
a landscape plan to staff that would include screening of
the building and applicant and staff coordinate with the
traffic and fire departments to see if there is any need
to mitigate traffic safety measures for the front of the
building and add Condition No. 11 ensuring no parking in
the rear alley, seconded by COMMISSIONER FAHEY.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR added that she would like to see the
landscape planter extended.
COMMISSIONER HOAGLAND remained with his motion but
emphasized the Commission's intent to see the front of
the building closed to through traffic unless not
acceptable to the fire and traffic departments and
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that staff address the landscaping of this area with
the applicant.
The motion carried as follows:
AYES: 5
COMMISSIONERS:
Blair, Fahey, Ford,
Hoagland, Chiniaeff
NOES: 0 COMMISSIONERS: None
7. PLOT PLAN NO. 179
7.1
Proposal to construct a 57,102 square foot industrial/
office building on a 4.5 acre site located at the
southwest corner of Rio Nedo and Tierra Alta Way.
COMMISSIONER HOAGLAND moved to continue this item to
the regular meeting of the Planning Commission on
December 3, 1990, seconded by COMMISSIONER FAHEY and
carried as follows:
AYES: 5
COMMISSIONERS:
Blair, Fahey, Ford,
Hoagland, Chiniaeff
NOES: 0 COMMISSIONERS: None
8. TRACT MAP 26549 AND PLOT PLAN 10864
8.1
Proposal to construct a 260 townhouse development on
22.22 acres located south of Rancho California Road,
East of Moraga Road.
OLIVER MUJICA provided the staff report on this item.
He stated that there was a drainage issue and the
applicant has proposed to drain towards Rancho California
Road and the southerly portion of the property is proposed
to drain to the southwest corner of the project. He added
that the applicant will be required to obtain the proposed
storm drain as well as oversizing the drainage structures
to divert the run-off from other properties to the storm
drain. He also stated there was an issue that the school
district wanted to address relating to an unimproved
pedistrian walkway within the project to be utilized by
children walking to Vail Elementary School. He stated
that the school district has been in contact with SCE and
property owners to the south and the flood control
district to acquire the necessary easements. The
applicant is proposing a ten foot wide easement along the
westerly property line which would extend from Moraga Road
along the southerly property line and end at the adjoining
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southerly property. He added CSD was not prepared to
indicate if they were willing to accept this area or an
easement. He stated that Condition No. 25 of the Plot
Plan approval did not apply, and should be deleted, and
added to staff responses to Environmental Analysis,
No. 11, should indicate under SWAP it would be permitted
to have 365 units.
JOHN MIDDLETON stated that they were adding Condition No.
22B to Tentative Map No. 26549 and 77B to Plot Plan No.
10864 stating that, in the event the improvements to the
south side of Rancho California Road have not been
completed by the Margarita Village Benefit District prior
to occupancy, the developer shall construct these required
off-site improvements.
COMMISSIONER HOAGLAND questioned the condition requiring
the applicant to obtain a drainage easement prior to
recordation of the final map and what would result if the
applicant could not get the easement.
JOHN MIDDLETON stated that the applicant could not
record their map.
COMMISSIONER EO&GLANDasked for clarification of Condition
No. 39.
JOHN MIDDLETON stated that staff has been working with
the applicant's engineer to restrict as much drainage to
the south as possible and direct flow to the southwest
corner by way of a drainage system. They had been
discussing a sump system to do this. The engineer is
now proposing two storm drain systems, one on the private
drive, oversized by 50% and another system on the south
property line running down to the southeast corner.
COMMISSIONER HOAGLAND commented that staff should review
Condition No. 9 of the Plot Plan. He suggested that the
parenthesis from aspbaltic to base should be deleted as
well as the remainder of the paragraph beginning with
"decomposed". Commissioner Hoagland also asked for
clarification of Condition No. 26.
OLIVER MUJICA stated that the first set of parenthesis
should have been commas'.
CHAIRMAN CHINIAEFF questioned if there will be a
signal at "A" Street and if there will be road
improvements to Via Las Colinas.
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KIRK WILLIAMS stated that there would be a right-in and
right-out signal at "A" Street. He explained that the
main course of traffic would be through Rancho California
Road and Morago and Via Las Colinas would carry a small
amount of the main traffic.
COMMISSIONER FAHEY questioned if there was any report on
the needs of the community for multiple family dwellings
and what could be expected from a study of this type.
GARY THORNHILL stated that the Lightfoot study would
address this and that it would recommend a fee structure.
CHAIRMAN CHINIAEFF opened the public hearing at 9:30
P.M.
LETTIE BOGGS, Temecula Valley Unified School District
representative, stated that the School District is in
disagreement with the Environmental Assessment that
there is no impact from this project to the schools.
She stated that the area where this project exists has
been zoned for high density housing, which causes a
problem for the schools which would have to house the
students generated from this project. She also stated
that there was no safe route to walk from this project
to the schools and would recommend that the developer
provide a public trail through the SCE easement. She
stated that they contacted all the adjacent property
owners. Mr. Boyd and SCE were agreeable to provide
a foot path through their properties as well as Flood
Control's approval. Mr. Oder, another adjacent property
owner, stated that he would agree to allow the foot path
along his property; however, he wanted the flooding of
the creek addressed. She stated that the City is willing
to discuss accepting this within the City's trail system.
The City Engineers have stated that it will be difficult
to mitigate the creek issue which supports Mr. Oder's
flooding issue. She also stated that although this
project was in walking distance of two schools, they
would have to bus students to other schools.
LARRY MARKHAM, Markham & Associates, 41750 Winchester
Road, Temecula, stated their concurrence with staff's
conditions and they are prepared to dedicate the strip
of land required by the school district for the foot
and bike path. He explained the route of the drainage
system, one along the southerly road system and also
along the southerly property line. He stated that
once they get to the southerly corner of the property
they have the option of going down the Oder property or
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the Summer Breeze property to get to the creek, and they
are still reviewing this.
CHAIRMAN CHINIAEFF questioned if there would be any
on-site trash enclosures.
LARRY MARKHAM stated that each homeowner would be
responsible for trash containers.
CHAIRMAN CHINIAEFF questioned the Engineering
Condition requiring that medians being built on Rancho
California Road.
LARRY MARKHAM stated that if SP199 did not build them
then they would be conditioned to complete those
improvements.
DOUR STEWART stated that SP199 would not be building the
medians.
LARRY MARKHAM commented, with regards to the Oders, that
the have agreed to go to 50% over-bulking of the flood
drains.
COMMISSIONER FORD questioned a phased development plan.
He was concerned with the improvements of Rancho
California Road being done in off hours construction so
that the public is not affected and also the need for
a phased construction plan for this project.
DOUR STEWART stated that the improvements to Rancho
Califoria Road are being considered for night-time
improvements. Phased construction would be based
on staff approval and the applicant would have to get
a phased map.
gARY THORNHILL stated that there was no requirement
for phased construction.
LARRY MARKHAM stated that they would agree to phased
construction of the project.
SALLY HORN, 41540 Winchester Road, Temecula, spoke in
favor of the project and the need for affordable housing
for homebuyers.
ROBERT L. ODER, 29911 Mira Loma Drive, Temecula, stated
that he is very pleased with the progress this project has
made; however, he is still concerned with the proposed
drainage of this project. He provided staff with pictures
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of flooding to his property as a result of flooding of the
creek. He stated that he felt the proposed drainage is
incompatible with the proposed density of this project.
He expressed a concern for the density of this project
and stated that he would like to see the project
restricted to a condomium project so that in the future
it could not be sold and bought to be converted to a
apartment complex.
ROBERT J. ODER, 29911 Mira Loma Drive, Temecula, also
addressed the Commission with his concerns that the
drainage of the project has not been properly addressed,
in relation to his project Summer Breeze Apartments.
ROBERT L. ODER also stated that he felt the proposed path
along the creek and the SCE easement is a proposed safety
hazard. He stated that he felt that the flooding of the
creek has not been properly addressed.
T~h~R~ STEIN, 2049 Century Park Boulevard, Los Angeles,
attorney for the Oders' stated that she feels her clients
of addressed their concerns and would like staff and the
Commission to look at all of these issues before sending
this project on to the City Council for their approval.
CHAIRMAN CHINIAEFF questioned if the Oders' were
opposing improvement to this site.
T~ STEIN stated that her clients were not opposed to
development, they just wanted to see quality as well as
sensitive grading.
LARRY M~RKHAM stated that the issues that have been
addressed by the Oders' is better suited for the final
map stage. He stated that if there was some drainage
that was not being addressed it would be addressed.
He stated that they are willing to work with the school
district and the Oders' between now and the City Council's
approval.
COMMISSIONER HOAGLANDquestioned if the City would be held
liable if there was flooding resulting from this project.
JOHN CAVANAUGH agreed that the possibility did exist.
GARY THORNHILL stated that he would feel more comfortable
with revising the Environmental Assessment to ensure
that all issues are reviewed and proposed that the
Commission continue this item to the next meeting.
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COMMISSIONER BLAIR moved to leave the public hearing open
and continue Tract Map 26549/Plot Plan 10864 to the
meeting of December 3, 1990, seconded by COMMISSIONER
HOAGLAND and carried as follows:
AYES: 5
COMMISSIONERS:
Blair, Fahey, Ford,
Hoagland, Chiniaeff
NOES: 0 COMMISSIONERS: None
9. PARCEL MAP NO. 25599
9.1
Proposal to subdivide a 4.31 acre commercial parcel into
two parcels in the auto center located at 41872 Motor Car
Parkway.
SANDRA FINN, Markham and Associates, 41750 Winchester
Road, Temecula, stated that the applicant is in
concurrence with the staff report and the conditions of
approval.
CHAIRMAN CHINIAEFF asked if any modular unit was
proposed for the project.
SANDRA FINN stated that there was no modular proposed.
COMMISSIONER HOAGLAND questioned the disagreement
regarding the CC&R's.
SANDRA FINNstated that the underlying Plot Plan approved
the use. The have halloted the other property owners for
their approvals and they feel that they will receive their
concurrence.
COMMISSIONER FAHEY moved close the public hearing and
adopt the Negative Declaration for Parcel Map No. 25599,
adopt Resolution No. 90-(next) and approve Parcel Map
No. 25599, seconded by COMMISSIONER HOAGLAND and carried
as follows:
AYES: 5
COMMISSIONERS:
Blair, Fahey, Ford,
Hoagland, Chiniaeff
NOES: 0 COMMISSIONERS: None
10. PLANNING DIRECTOR REPORT
10.1 GARY THORNHILL stated that the Lightfoot Study results
will be presented to the City Council on December 4 and
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the City will be conducting interviews for the General
Plan consultant on December 8.
OTHER BUSINESS
CHAIRH~NCHINI&EFF questioned if a representative from
the Commission go to the City Council to present their
views on the two items up for appeal that had been
denied by the Commission.
ADJOURNMENT
CHAIRMAN CHINIAEFF adjourned the meeting at 10:30 P.M. The next
regular meeting of the Planning Commission will be held on December
3, 1990, 6:00 P.M., Vail Elementary School, 29915 Mira Loma Drive,
Temecula.
~airman, Dennis Chln~aeff ~
-- S~cretary
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