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HomeMy WebLinkAbout110590 PC MinutesMINUTES OF A REGULaR MEETING OF THE PY.~.I~ING COHMISSION OF THE CITY OF TF~ECULA HELD NOVEMBER 5v 1990 A regular meeting of the Temecula Planning Commission was called to order at Vail Elementary School, 29915 Mira Loma Drive, Temecula, at 6:15 P.M. The meeting was called to order by Chairperson Dennis Chiniaeff. PRESENT: 3 COMMISSIONERS: Fahey, Hoagland, Chiniaeff ABSENT: 2 COMMISSIONERS: Blair, Ford Also present were Assistant City Attorney John Cavanaugh, Gary Thornhill, Acting Planning Director, John Middleton, Senior Project Manager, Doug Stewart, Deputy City Engineer and Gail Zigler, Minute Clerk. PUBLIC COI~IENT COMMISSIONER CHINIAEFF opened the meeting for public comment at 6:20 P.M. FRANK KLEIN, 30180 Santiago Road, Temecula, addressed the Commission with his concerns in regards to the increased incident of crimes related to high density housing. He read a brief statement from Police Captain Rick Sayre in which he commented on the increase of drug related crimes in high density housing developments. 1. MINUTES 1.1 MINUTES OF OCTOBER 15v 1990 COMMISSIONER CHINIAEFF entertained a motion to approve the minutes of October 15, 1990. COMMISSIONER HOAGLAND moved to approve the minutes of October 15, 1990, seconded by COMMISSIONER FAHEY. AYES: 3 NOES: 0 ABSENT: 2 COMMISSIONERS: COMMISSIONERS: COMMISSIONERS: Fahey, Hoagland, Chiniaeff None Blair, Ford GARY THORNHILL stated that the following items would be continued to the regularily scheduled meeting of November 19, 1990: Item No. 2, Item No. 3, Item No. 5 and Item No. 9 PCMINll/5/90 -1- NOVEMBER 16, 1990 PL~I~ING COI.~ISSION MINUTES NOVEMBER 5~ L990 COMMISSIONER HOAGLAND moved to continue Item Nos. 2,3,5 and 9 to the meeting of November 19, 1990, seconded by COMMISSIONER FAHEY. AYES: 3 NOES: 0 ABSENT: 2 COMMISSIONERS: COMMISSIONERS: COMMISSIONERS: Fahey, Hoagland, Chiniaeff None Blair, Ford PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS 4. PARCEL NAP NO. 25212/CHANGE OF ZONE NO. 5663 4.1 Proposal to sub-divide 5.02 acre lot into 4 residential parcels and to change the existing R-R 2.1/2 to R-R located at the northeast corner of Nicholas and Liefer Roads. OLIVER MUJICA provided the staff report on this item. DOUG STEWART indicated the following modifications to the Engineering Department Conditions of Approval Nos. 23 and 24, adding "or bonds for the street improvements may be posted"; No. 26, delete street light and medians as required improvements; No. 38, delete street lights and side walks as required improvements. COMMISSIONER CHINIAEFF opened the public hearing on this item at 6:25 P.M. TIM CROUGH, Durango Development, 41815 Hawthorne Street, Murrieta, applicant, concurred with the findings in the staff report; however, objected to the following Engineering Conditions of Approval: Nos. 23, 24, 26, 29, 30, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 40, 41, 42, and 45. Mr. Crough stated that he felt that these conditions were excessive and the the improvements which are being required were not consistent with the Subdivision Map Act. He stated that he felt that the County Road Department Conditions were more suitable for the area. He stated that the cost of the improvements would exceed the lot value. The applicant requested that the Commission adopt the County Road Department conditions for street improvements in-lieu of the Engineering Department street conditions. PCMINll/5/90 -2- NOVEMBER 16, 1990 PLi%NNING COl~ISSION MINUTES NOVF~BER 5, 1990 COMMISSIONER FAHEY questioned the proposed density in relation to the surrounding area and stated that they applicant should expect to do street improvements due to the increase in density. TIM CROUGH stated that he had no negative comments on the proposed density. He added that they were not opposing street improvements; however, they did disagree with the magnitude of the improvements requested by the Engineering Department. COMMISSIONER HOAGLAND stated that a dirt road cul-de-sac was not appropriate and the higher density for this area was an important issue. COMMISSIONER CHINIAEFF expressed concern for future spliting of these lots and asked the applicant if they would consider a minimum lot size for this area. TIM CROUGH stated that they feel their proposal is a suitable buffer. COMMISSIONER HOA~LAND moved to close the public hearing at 6:45 PM and adopt Resolution No. 90-(next) denying adoption of a Negative Declaration for Change of Zone No. 5663 and Parcel Map No. 25212; not approve Change of Zone No. 5663 and not approve Parcel Map No. 25212, seconded by COMMISSIONER FAHEY, based on their concerns of setting a precedent of the entire area, for smaller lot sizes. The Commission felt that the improvements being requested by staff were appropriate for the proposal. AYES: 3 NOES: 0 ABSENT: 2 COMMISSIONERS: COMMISSIONERS: COMMISSIONERS: Fahey, Hoagland, Chiniaeff None Blair, Ford 6. APPEAL NO. 7/PLOT PLAN 11149 6.1 Proposal to appeal County Road Condition No. 8 requiring street lights on the project located on the west side of Jefferson Avenue, south of Overland Road. STEVE JIANNINO provided the staff report on this item. PCMINll/5/90 -3- NOVEMBER 16, 1990 PL~NN~N~ CO~I~SS[ON H~NUTES NOVEMBER $~ L990 COMMISSIONER HOAGLAND asked staff if they anticipated future street lighting. DOUG STEWART stated that it was a capital improvement project for the City and could be implemented in the future. COMMISSIONER CHINIAEFF opened the public hearing at 7:00 P.M. JOSEPH SAPP, 1660 Hotel Circle North, #720, San Diego, applicant, advised the Commission that the County Road Department had stated that this was an error and should not have been included in the Conditions. COMMISSIONER FAHEY moved to close the public hearing at 7:02 P.M. and uphold the applicant's request for deletion of Condition No. 8 of the County Road Department Letter for Plot Plan No. 11149 dated December 26, 1989, seconded by COMMISSIONER HOA~LAND. AYES: 3 NOES: 0 ABSENT: 2 COMMISSIONERS: COMMISSIONERS: COMMISSIONERS: Fahey, Hoagland, Chiniaeff None Blair, Ford 7. SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE NO. 2 FOR SP NO. 164 7.1 Proposal to modify the location of the Class 1 bike trail which traverses the park and open space area located adjacent to Residential Planning Area No. 4 of the Roripaugh Estates Specific Plan located at the southwest corner of Roripaugh and Nicolas Roads. STEVE JIANNINO provided the staff report. COMMISSIONER CHINIAEFF opened the public hearing at 7:05 P.M. DAVE JAMES, RanPac Engineering, 27447 Enterprise Circle West, Temecula, representing the applicant concurred with the findings and recommendations in the staff report. PCMINll/5/90 -4- NOVEMBER 16, 1990 PLAIq~ING COIO~ISSION HIIQUTES NOVEHBER 5, L990 GEORGE WALKER, Davidson Communities, 12520 High Bluff Drive, San Diego, applicant advised the Commission that the area in question went nowhere and provided nothing for the project. He stated that this area was part of an existing slope on the property line of lots 67 and 68 and would be used as a maintenance area only. COMMISSIONER HOAGLAND questioned if the applicant was going to fence off this area. The applicant indicated that they could fence it along the back side of the slope. COMMISSIONER CHINIAEFF suggested that the applicant Quit- Claim the easements to each property owner adjacent to the area if it was not going to be used. JOH~ CAVANAUGH advised the Commission that they were limited to agreeing or disagreeing with the proposal. COMMISSIONER HOAGLAND advised the applicant that the Commission strongly urged him to discuss the idea of vacation with the Homeowners Association. CONNISSIONER HOAGLAND moved to approve Substantial Conformance No. 2 for Specific Plan No. 164, seconded by COIOfISSIONER FANEY. AYES: 3 NOES: 0 ABSENT: 2 COMMISSIONERS: COMMISSIONERS' COMMISSIONERS: Fahey, Hoagland, Chiniaeff None Blair, Ford 8. PLOT PLAN NO. 20 8.1 Proposal to construct a 160,561 square foot industrial building with 128,345 square feet of warehouse, 26,850 square feet of office space and 5,366 square feet of manufacturing. Project is located north of Rancho California Road, Business Park Drive. OLIVER MUJICA provided the staff report on this item. He stated that Condition No. 1 should be amended to reflect the above stated square footages and Condition No. 10 amended to reflect the total requirement for parking spaces as 246 with 5 handicapped parking spaces. PCMINll/5/90 -5- NOVEMBER 16, 1990 PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES NOVEMBER 5v 1990 COMMISSIONER HOAGLANDquestioned the surface requirements for the parking area in Condition No. 10. GARY THORNHILL advised the Commission to disregard the interior sentences beginning with "Decomposed granite". COMMISSIONER CHINIAEFF opened the public hearing at 7:20 P.M. CRAIG WULFEMEYER, 43225 Business Park Drive, Temecula, applicant, advised the Commission that this would be a distribution building for medical products. COMMISSIONER HOAGL]%ND questioned the requirements for Condition No. 31. GARY THORNHILL stated that this was a standard condition. COMMISSIONER HOAGLAND moved to close the public hearing at 7:25 P.M. and adopt Negative Declaration for Plot Plan No. 20 and recommend that the City Council adopt Resolution No. 90-(next) approving Plot Plan No. 20, seconded by COMMISSIONER FAHEY. AYES: 3 NOES: 0 ABSENT: 2 COMMISSIONERS: COMMISSIONERS: COMMISSIONERS: Fahey, Hoagland, Chiniaeff None Blair, Ford 10. CHANGE OF ZONE 5613/VTTM 25082 10.1 Proposal to change zone from R-R 1/2 to R-1 and create 109 signle family lots at the northeast corner of Calle Medusa and Nicholas Road. STEVE JIANNINO provided the staff report on this item. GARY THORNHILL advised the Commission that this was a difficult case for staff to work on. He stated that the applicant was relying on information from the county when they began processing this application. He advised the Commission that approving this project as submitted would set precedent for this entire area. COMMISSIONER HOAGLAND asked staff if other densities had been proposed to the applicant. PCMINll/5/90 -6- NOVEMBER 16, 1990 PL~NNIN~ COlO~ISSlON HINUTES NOVEMBER 5; 1990 GARY THORNHILL stated that the applicant felt that this was the project design their client needed to make it work. DOUG STEWART advised the Commission that the flooding issues addressed in the flood control letter are serious issues which the applicant still needs to address before the Engineering Department could approve the Tract. COMMISSIONER CHINIAEFF opened the public hearing at 7:35 P.M. GARY KOONTZ, CM Engineering, 41593 Winchester Road, Temecula, applicant, stated that they have worked with staff at County and City levels to plan this project. He said that the project had gone through the County planning process and all pertinent studies had been performed and approved by all agencies except for flood control. Prior to the public hearing the project was then transferred to the City. Mr. Koontz said that they have understood all along that staff wanted half-acre lots; however, this is unacceptable to their client. Mr. Koontz said that the Flood Control District has requested that the applicant form an Assessment District prior to approval of this project; however, they have had difficulty getting other property owners to participate. He did state that their applicant was willing to participate in an Assessment District. COMMISSIONER HOAGLAND questioned the applicant if they had received a 404/1601 permit. GARY KOONTZ stated that they had not attempted to get those permits yet; however, they were aware that this was an issue. COMMISSIONER HOAGLAND asked if the applicant had discussed alternative densities that might include some mixture of lot sizes. GARY KOONTZ stated that this would not be economically feasible to go to much smaller or larger lots. PCMINll/5/90 -7- NOVEMBER 16, 1990 PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES NOVEMBER 5, 1990 COMMISSIONER FAHEY asked the applicant if they would be willing to go back to staff and address some of the density and flood control issues as opposed to a denial. GARY KOONTZ advised the Commission that they would be willing to go back and address the flood issues with staff. ROBERT PACK, President, Pavilion Homes, 30181 Verdugo, Laguna Hills, addressed the Commission and stated that the developers position has been well presented by Gary Koontz. He stated that at the time of preparing this project their only guide was the SWAP plan which had been developed for the City. Based on the input from their staff and engineers they processed the Vested Tentative Map in accordance with SWAP. ROBERT PACK questioned the Deputy City Attorney John Cavanaugh on the ability of staff and the Commission to inadvertently change their requirements of what should be developed as opposed to what SWAP proposes. COMMISSIONER CHINIAEFF advised Mr. Pack that the City has a time period in which they can adopt a General Plan and they had the ability to adopt or interpret the SWAP plan. He stated that the City Council had stated that they would use the SWAP as a guideline. Mr. Chiniaeff added that he was concerned with the buffering of smaller to larger lots. COMMISSIONER FAHEY added that the Commission's decision on this project would serve as a guideline for other developments in this area. COMMISSION CHINIAEFF stated that with the Engineering Department statements as well as the Flood Control Districts comments, the Commission would not be in a position to approve this project as submitted. He added that he also felt that the Commission should indicate what their preferences for densities would be. PCMINll/5/90 -8- NOVEMBER 16, 1990 PLANNING CO~OfISSION HINUTES NOVEHBER 5~ L990 Commissioner Chiniaeff suggested that the applicant consider a split in the property, having the higher elevation area be the R-1 and the lower lots be R-R 1/2. CO~l{ISSIONER HOAGLAND expressed his desire to see the large ridge incorporated in the project rather than being graded down and felt that it made a natural transition from lower to higher density housing. Commissioner Hoagland asked if the applicant would be willing to go back to staff and address these issues. GARY KOONTZ requested the Commission's action and stated that if the Commission voted on a denial they would take the project to the City Council on an appeal. COMMISSIONER CHINIAEFF stated that the staff and the Commissioners have been very clear in what they are trying to accomplish. He also added the the design guidelines that have been submitted would apply to anything and not directly to this project. He indicated they still need some work. COMMISSIONER FAHEY moved to close the public hearing at 8:15 PM and deny Change of Zone 5613 and deny Vesting Tentative Tract No. 25082 based on the analysis and findings in the staff report and the Commission's request for; adequate buffering between higher and lower density developments, possibly using the bluff as demarkation as well; flood plain problems have not been adequately addressed and, the design guidelines submitted to not appear to apply to this project. JOHN CAVANAUGH advised the Commission that this was not a final decision, that the item would go to the City Council for final determination. COMMISSIONER CHINIAEFF asked the City Attorney if the Commission had the ability to request a zone change. JOHN CAVANAUGH advised that the Commission had the ability to make a suggestion to the council for a more suitable zone change. PCMINll/5/90 -9- NOVEMBER 16, 1990 PL~NN~N~ COl~SS~ON ~NUTES NOVEMBER $~ L990 COMMISSIONER CHINIAEFF stated that they could make a recommendation for a zone change as a suggestion for the upper section of the ridge being R-1 and the lower section being R-R 1/2 giving the applicant something to work with rather than just a denial. JOHN CAVANAUGH stated that the Commission could make these suggestions to the City Council which may help them make their determination. COMMISSIONER FAHEY amended her motion be recommending a zone change of the upper half of the ridge being R-1 and the lower half being R-R 1/2, withdrawing the zone change denial, seconded by COMMISSIONER HOAGLAND. After discussion with the City Planning Director, JOHN CAVANAUGH suggested that the Commission take action by either denying or approving the application as submitted and make their recommendations to the City Council. COMMISSIONER FAHEY withdrew her amendment to the motion; with the concurrence of second, COMMISSIONER HOAGLAND; however, recommended that the City Council address the options proposed by the Commission. The original motion for denial of the Zone Change and the Tentative Parcel Map No. 25802 was approved. AYES: 3 NOES: 0 ABSENT:2 COMMISSIONERS: COMMISSIONERS: COMMISSIONERS: Fahey, Hoagland, Chiniaeff None Blair, Ford 11. PLANNING DIRECTOR REPORT 11.1 GARY THORNHILL advised the Commission on the following items: 1) A tentative November 16 course on preparing and revising the General Plan. 2) Will be handing out various articles that he comes across he feels may be helpful to the Commission. 3) Address comments made as to what should be used as a guideline (i.e. zoning or a combination of zoning requirements and SWAP designation). He also stated that once the General Plan has been adopted then they will do a consistency re-zoning. PCMINll/5/90 -10- NOVEMBER 16, 1990 PL~N~ COI. fi~SS~ON ~[NUTES NOVF~BER 5~ ~990 ADJOURNMENT COMMISSIONER FAHEY moved to adjourn the meeting at 8:20 P.M., seconded by COMMISSIONER HOAGLAND. Next regularily scheduled meeting November 19, 1990, 6:00 P.M., Vail Elementary School, 29915 Mira Loma Drive, Temecula, 6:00 P.M. DENNIS CHINIAEF~ PCMINll/5/90 -11- NOVEMBER 16, 1990