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Home My WebLink About091195 PC Workshop MinutesMINUTES OF A WORKSHOP OF THE CITY OF TEMECULA PLANNING COMMISSION SEPTEMBER 11, 1995 A Workshop of the City of Temecula Planning Commission was called to order on Monday, September 11,1995, 6:00 P.M., at the Rancho California Water District's Board Room, 42135 Winchester Road, Temecula, California. Chairman Steve Ford called the meeting to order. PRESENT: ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: Webster, Ford, Slaven, Miller COMMISSIONERS: Fahey Also present were Community Development Director Gary Thornhill, Attorney Greg Diaz, Planning Manager Debbie Ubnoske, Assistant Planner Craig Ruiz, Principal Engineer Steve Cresswell and Senior Planner John Meyer. PUBLIC COMMENTS Bill Vazzana, 39605 Avenida Lynell, expressed concern that as a contiguous property owner he had not been notified of this workshop. Commissioner Ford responded the point was well taken and he would see that Mr. Vazzana got an answer later in the meeting. COMMISSION BUSINESS 1. Approval of Agenda It was moved by Commissioner Slaven and seconded by Commissioner Webster to approve the agenda. The motion carried as follows: AYES: 4 NOES: 0 ABSENT: 1 PUBLIC HEARING 2. COMMISSIONERS: Webster, Ford, Slaven, Miller COMMISSIONERS: None COMMISSIONERS: Fahey PA94-0073, PA94-0074, PA94-0075, and PA94-0076 (RoriDauqh Ranch) Assistant Planner Craig Ruiz presented the staff report and informed the Commission that several items had not been correctly documented on the tentative plan. One such item was the middle school which had been omitted in error and will be inserted and brought back to the Commission. P=\~ZHBERVG\091195.PC 12/1/95 ktb [ PLANNING COMMISSION WORKSHOP SEPTEMBER 11, 1995 He stated staff is concerned with locating the middle school next to the park. Planner Ruiz responded to Commission questions given at the previous workshop: 1) The 68 acre open space area and the 33 acre community park will be maintained by the County Flood Control or the Home Owners' Association; 2) each lot will have 5-6 trees and; 3) the traffic study has not been completed. Tom Cannon, 2618 Mandeville Canyon, representing the applicant, stated there have been four very informative meetings with neighboring residents and he will be scheduling additional meetings in order to answer any concerns they may have. Tom Nieves, The Keith Companies, 22690 Cactus Avenue, Moreno Valley, presented modified points of the project: * The Calle Contento connection has been deleted. * Parks have been centralized and a fifth park has been added. * The circulation has been modified to increase buffer area to the east. There is an increase in 2.5 acre average lots at the south and east borders of the project. 14,000 square foot lots have been added to the interior. * Land uses have been reconfigured to allow for additional public uses. * A church has been added to the plan. He also stated that density had not been decreased due to the cost of the infrastructure and multi-family homes are not appropriate for this project. Allen Mensis, the architect, shared a slide presentation showing various home designs planned in the Roripaugh Ranch. Senior Planner Meyer asked the applicant when build-out is expected. Allen Mensis responded that build out would not take place for 10-15 years. Commissioner Slaven expressed concern regarding habitat preservation and felt it was below standards and also that minutes of the neighborhood meetings had not been provided to the Commission. tom Nieves, applicant's representative, responded the minutes had been lost in his computer, however, minutes from one meeting are available. He also responded the U.S. Fish/Wildlife Department had approved the area planned for habitat preservation. P:\~IHBERVG\091195.PC 12/1/95 ktb 2 PLANNING COMMISSION WORKSHOP SEPTEMBER 11, 1995 PUBLIC HEARING Chairman Ford opened the Public Hearing at 7:10 P.M. Joyce Williams, 33612 Vino Way, neighboring property owner, stated she had attended the neighbor meetings and could provide minutes to the Commission. She spoke in opposition to the high density proposed in this proiect. Ray Gianton, 33120 Vino Way, spoke in opposition to the high density and the intense grading taking place in this project. Janet Dixon, 31860 Via Cordoba, Facilities Director with the Temecula Valley School District, spoke in regard to the middle school which had been omitted from the plan. A middle school is needed as well as an elementary school. The District is requesting infrastructure access to both schools and a mitigation agreement with Temecula School District will be required. Larry Bales, 39340 Jessie Circle, expressed concern with the traffic, need for bridges, severe hydrology and the close proximity of the river. He spoke in favor of decreased density. Helen Lasagna, Nicolas Valley, expressed concern on road improvements needed, and is not in favor of the residents of Nicolas Valley being held financially responsible. Robert Wheeler, 24280 Washington Ave, Murrieta, expressed concern in regard to the detention basins of the Santa Gertrudes Creek. He also spoke in opposition to high density in this project. Ralph Size, 33135 Vino Way, spoke in opposition to high density in this project. Chairman Ford closed the Public Hearing at 7:42 P.M. Chairman Ford expressed his concerns in regard to increased traffic which would be generated on Murrieta Hot Springs Road, Nicolas Road and Butterfield Road. The applicant responded that Conditions of Approval require off site improvements needed due to increased traffic. Commissioner Ford read two letters into the record: From the Temecula Citizens for Responsible Government, which submitted 1,950 signed petitions against annexation into the City of Temecula. 2. From the Coalition for Rural Temecula against annexation of Roripaugh Ranch. P:\91HBERVG\091195.PC lZ/1/95 ktb 3 PLANNING COMMISSION WORKSHOP SEPTEMBER 11, 1995 COMMISSION DISCUSSION Commissioner Webster expressed concern on two issues: 1) the overall density and he recommended low/medium density i.e., 4% units per acre; 2) recommended L1 or L2 zoning on the buffering along the south side of the site and 3) he stated he feels the commercial area is inappropriate at the planned location. Commissioner Slaven expressed the following: She is opposed to the Home Owners Association being held responsible for the flood plain. The applicant needs to have good dialog with the school district and locate schools where appropriate. She is not in support of the commercial area location. She recommended additional buffer around the perimeter and more open space should be considered. She is opposed to high density, the applicant needs to be more responsive to rural neighbors. * She is not in favor of the loop road. * She recommended the consideration for bridges. Commissioner Miller expressed his concern with high density. He recommended no more than one acre parcels in the perimeter, with smaller lots as the development moves toward the interior. Commissioner Webster agreed with the eight (8) listed concerns from staff. Commissioner Ford expressed disappointment that the workshop was not properly noticed. He stated staff needs to make sure the noticing is appropriate. Commissioner Ford expressed the following: * The density too high. * Buffering needs to be increased on the east and south side. * Landscaping should be a key component in buffering areas away from the perimeter. P:\WlHBERVG\091195.PC 12/1/95 kLb 4 PLANNING COMMISSION WORKSHOP SEPTEMBER 11. 1995 * He is in support to the loop road and recommended a grid system. * A move toward lessening the grade should be made. * Circulation is a primary issue. He is not convinced removing Calle Contento and Butterfield Stage Road as through roads will be effective. # The applicant should address equestrian trails, which could be tied into the open space element. * He recommended flexibility on lot sizes, a maximum or minimum could be set in some areas. The direction from the Commission is as follows: 1. Additional buffering on the east side and the south side is needed, 2. Density in the amount of three (3) units per acre in the Estate Area which should be used as transition property. Director Thornhill will work with the applicant on the transition area. 3. Study emphasis of the loop road. 4. Allow additional access for bike riding and pedestrian crossing back and forth to the open space. 5. Reduce the grading away from the sensitive areas and maintain original land forms. Recommend less grading in planning area three by reducing the density. 7. The 4.2 acre commercial location should be eliminated. Staff will come back with alternative uses for this site. Establish minimum usable lot areas rather than minimum parcel size. Reduce overall project density. The recommendation is between 3 units per acre gross, and the Southwest Area Plan which would be between 1800 - 2000 units. 10. Chairman Ford asked that the grade be lessened. P:\~iMBERVG\O91195.PC Z/21/96 ktb 5 PLANNING COMMISSION WORKSHOP SEPTEMBER 11. 1995 Commissioner Webster wanted to state for the record that he did not say he was in favor of high density. He said low/medium density. DIRECTOR'S REPORT Director Gary Thornhill reported that personnel cross-training will begin on September 12 and be completed in 2 to 3 months. He is regretfully to announced that former City Manager Dave Dixon has passed away. COMMISSION DISCUSSION Commissioner Ford invited the Commission to attend the City Council Workshop on Annexation scheduled for September 19, 1995. ADJOURNMENT On a motion made by Commissioner SlaYen the workshop was adjourned at 9:45 P.M. Next regular meeting, September 18, 1995, 6:00 p.m., Ranc,l~ California Water District's Board Room, 42135 Winchester Road, Temecula, Californi~ r~an Stev~ // '~d )' Chai Secretary P:\WIMBERVG\O91195.PC 1/29/96 ktb 6